Our newest member has done a better job of expressing why our mission is critical to free thinking expediters than we have ourselves.
Welcome to the site Greg334!
His first post:
Really Ken
Welll Guys/Gals, I am here (big whoop right?) I won't screw around or mess your site up with bullshit but I came here to deal with with this
insane defense of what has gone on over at EO.
I figured that if I post in one thread for all three of the threads about the like issue, no damage is done and I can leave without causing any one from being upset (except Ken

). Sorry if this is a little inconsistent, I'm typing it between phone calls this morning and rather not caring too much about anything.
For the record, I am told many many times, I am not the same as my on-line personna represents, this is true. Those who know me will tel you I do care a lot about other people and their success in this industry. I complain because I want people to get it right, not to beleive everything is peaches and cream. I don't make any apologizes about staying on EO, I was asked to stay for as long as I could stand it for one of the members, they begged me to stay so I did. I couldn't take the crap any more, knowing a bunch of behind the scenes things that make me vomit and the utter bullshit that happens with some of the players over there that goes beyond dog whistles - cronyism anyone? - it just got too sickening and the abuse got to me.
KenOVM
Doug....Most everything reported here happens in the Soapbox......Enter at your own risk.....it is wild in there at times, almost a free for all...the Soapbox is not, nor ever intended to be part of the real forum.....it is just goofy in there at times....it is for entertainment purposes only it serves no informational value what so ever...just political goobly gook...glad to see you are getting your moneys worth....LOL
Ken, sorry but you don't see a few things and what I'm going to say may hurt your feelings.
Since you and Ken got to be moderators, you've both become asses. You surprised me more than anyone but I am wondering if there is an L-1 thing going on between all of you, like an L-1 cult.
The other ken more so of becoming asinine in his posting, I think he needs to get out in the real world - shed the shell for a while. He needed to tone down his crap and understand that the rules are not to be applied when they appear to be abusive. Dale is part of the problem as much as Lawrence, mainly due to the fact they promote the same bullshit that has been going on for a long time. There is a lot more to their story that I won't share but because of what happened to Andy, I can't see the soapbox or the rest of the site being a conduit for information it should be and felt for a while that the owners are trying to make it into a Disney land of sorts where it is safe to go there and have things said that people like to hear, it does nothing but allow people to be abusive and shit on others. The other Ken and Leo are good examples, and control the site to what a few want it to be.
By the by, Andy didn't do a damn thing other than speak his mind in a forum that was actually created for him and I to speak. I didn't care about what was said, I countered it with my usual Andy your full of crap stuff but then I ended up defending his right to say it behind the scenes, then openly. I didn't take too kindly to YOU ignoring my PM when I asked you a simple question while at the same time having you and Ken and the others hide behind a bullshit rule that no one can discuss what your decisions are - nothing like shitting people.
Your statement here means a lot to show what is really going on in your mind, it confirmed what some of us have thought about your job and the indoctrination into EO's world. You should take a serious look at what you just said and think about what you have been a part of through what actions other moderators have been done - you're all connected. So big deal that you are not there, leave completely as I did and tell them why ... You'll see nothing will change.
I know it is the soap box but got to tell you it doesn't matter where it happens. I will explain to you in a moment what I mean.
show me the racial slurs.....get your donkey (ass) in the car? is racial?....Doug....nothing wrong with shooting a judge go shoot a cop while you are at it........heck shoot any colour ya want....it is all fantasy...soapbox...cheap talk, truckstop lunch counter talk....
you notice my absence from the soapbox right.....???
Well unless you live under a rock or in a foreign country most of your life,
donkey( **correctly burro

) is used in a derogatory way to indicate a person from Mexico or South America who is stupid or worse. The rather sad thing is that most accept the term as normal part of everyday speech but reinforced through the bullshit idea that the Mexicans take all these jobs away from US citizens while not providing to the country.
Leo, who has a habit of saying bad things AND MEANING THEM, also has a habit of screwing with people when things are not up to his standards. I can tell you from my experience that he needs to be put in a time out situation for a few months to stop his habit of being both being an ass about things like this and for trying to make the site into Sunday service at a church. If it was my site, he would have been gone a long time ago. I went through a bunch of crap with his “masking of swear words” infraction and even Dale gave me a warning about it after Leo had a tantrum. I wasn't too happy to see any of it, as much as I didn't like the editing of my posts without my knowledge – another respect issue.
The funny thing is, this site represents the reality of our industry. We don't play nice (with words that is) in the real world so a site should represent the industry, not some disney styled fantisy nightmare.
Doug....the advertisers don't give a rats ass about the soapbox....get it yet?......as long as the REAL forum stays business like....
Actually Ken, they do. You don't get the issue - the soapbox is part of the forum, the real forum. The forum is represented by those who moderate the forum, those who administer the forum and the activity that the adverstiers solely depend on comes from the participation of the members of the forum. The soapbox is not void of ads, which means that those ads are seen by the people who come to the site through different means and one of those means are ... wait for this ... ok ready? ... Google and other search engines. The soapbox is indexed the same with some search engines, the hit counts are part of the site and so on. So you may be a bit wrong there.
With Leo, Joe (aka Layout) and et al. reality is this - there is an ethical problem about the companies that advertise on EO and how EO represents them as mentioned here a few times and even on EO.
However there is a more important issue of how the members who represent the company they drive for seem to appear at the customer level when they are open about defending bigoted remarks and about shooting people, especially judges and cops.
Outside of Elliot, there are no other real players in this industry sitting around chewing the fat with the people who make this industry work and there is a good reason for that – if you don't get it already have someone explain it to you. AND from what I am seeing, you should be very concerned the Elliot IS NOT stepping up and telling (not asking BUT TELLING) openly Lawrence to fix the problems with the moderators - all of you - because there is a problem that L-1 faces at the customer level … Load-1 essentially condone racist and bigoted remarks beside allowing people to think that they want to see a judge shot by the action of participating in a forum where it is openly discussed.
Got to tell you I wouldn't work for Load-1 at this point, they would not fit my idea of a properly imaged company I want to be part of. Maybe I wouldn't be acceptable to them, it doesn't matter - I have the advatage, they don't if you get my point.
For my company its different, we deal with a diverse cross section of customers and my work depends on the company's ability to attract and retain those customers beside my own ability, which this shit as it is presented on EO is a problem if the customer reacts negatively to a comment by Leo or has the support of the moderators who for the most part represent EO's management. Already my key customer who employs Mexicans has made a comment about EO and the comments that were made by the site representatives which could affect my work and the company but I won't let it.
SO I have to ask you Ken, does just not participating in EO as a member or moderator allow you to fulfill the ethical requirements that you should be fulfilling as a business person or as a human for that matter or should you take it a step further and tell your CEO there, Elliot, that this issue represents a BIG problem for the company and the customers and you think he should not be a part of EO or you can't be a part of L-1 because of it?
Of course you won't do the last thing, all that Leo has said (or Joe) isn't a big deal - right?
I know that you and a bunch of others will not get any of that, most of you don't get the entire "representing more than the company" thing to begin with because you are not part where you have to deal with the customers a lot of the time so I wouldn't expect you to get the ethical issues behind it. Losing a customer for one reason or another should be a concern to you, as much as it is to L-1, because customers do read the site.
Doug, I hope Cheri passed on my message to you. I may or may not post in the future, this was just to get something across to those who just don't get it.
USA, I agree with you - believe it or not. I didn't start the threads and the focus seems to be fed by the frustrated, including me. It wouldn't be all
You guys have caused a stir at EO
greg334 Today, 06:01 PM